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testhest 02-16-2009 07:15 AM

For a user on another forum, I took some pictures of a flywheel from a 740, with a 940tdi clucth and pressure plate, and release bearing.
Perhaps this could be of interest to others in this thread.
The pictures can be found here http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/e...thest/Kobling/
The parts I have ordered, have been ordered through Skandix.de. The clutch kit is SACHS make, and the numbers are:

Clutch: 1862 468 031
Pressure plate: 3082 204 033
Release bearing: 3151 189 232

Above parts are all included in the clutch kit: 3000 696 001

All numbers are SACHS refence numbers.

Mr.Borrie 02-16-2009 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by testhest (Post 2285711)
For a user on another forum, I took some pictures of a flywheel from a 740, with a 940tdi clucth and pressure plate, and release bearing.
Perhaps this could be of interest to others in this thread.
The pictures can be found here http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/e...thest/Kobling/
The parts I have ordered, have been ordered through Skandix.de. The clutch kit is SACHS make, and the numbers are:

Clutch: 1862 468 031
Pressure plate: 3082 204 033
Release bearing: 3151 189 232

Above parts are all included in the clutch kit: 3000 696 001

All numbers are SACHS refence numbers.

awesome work! this is the info you really need when converting to the 700 series.
Also you want to share how much you where set back on that set?

testhest 02-16-2009 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Borrie (Post 2285719)
awesome work! this is the info you really need when converting to the 700 series.
Also you want to share how much you where set back on that set?

Hi,

Well, the conversion is not just for the 700 series. The conversion is when going from dual-mass flywheel to dog-dish/single-mass, and using an M90 gearbox. I just found a flywheel from a 700 series.

The clutch kit was around 175 EUR + shipping (around 17 EUR).

/edit: the price is plus VAT, which is 19%, and thus the price is close to 208 EUR

Mr.Borrie 02-16-2009 08:21 AM

That's a good price, thanks (ordered mine already on ebay for 100+ euro's but not sure on the partnr's .. so i might need another set, why i asked :P)

frpe82 02-16-2009 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSteve (Post 2285083)
I recall Fred found that pivot ball spacing was necessary in his M90 install as otherwise the clutch would not work.

There is a risk of hitting the rear part of the transmission housing when the ball is not spaced out a little, yes.

3 washers or so is about right. But that also depends on your flywheel.

JW240 02-16-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by testhest (Post 2285711)
For a user on another forum, I took some pictures of a flywheel from a 740, with a 940tdi clucth and pressure plate, and release bearing.
Perhaps this could be of interest to others in this thread.
The pictures can be found here http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/e...thest/Kobling/
The parts I have ordered, have been ordered through Skandix.de. The clutch kit is SACHS make, and the numbers are:

Clutch: 1862 468 031
Pressure plate: 3082 204 033
Release bearing: 3151 189 232

Above parts are all included in the clutch kit: 3000 696 001

All numbers are SACHS refence numbers.

thats the exact same set i bought! Mine was a bit more expensive but the release bearing was in the set. Mine came from Scandix too.

testhest 02-16-2009 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JW240 (Post 2285830)
thats the exact same set i bought! Mine was a bit more expensive but the release bearing was in the set. Mine came from Scandix too.

Well, the release bearing was in mine too. Upon reviewing the price again, it seems that the price I quoted was without VAT. My kit also included the release bearing in the price. VAT is 19% in Germany, and thus the price is close to 208 EUR.

Mr.Borrie 02-21-2009 07:43 PM

I got the wrong kit maybe..

Sachs kitnr:4000 874 001
Clutch: 186 246 8031
Pressure plate: 3082 204 033
Release bearing: 3151 189 031

Am i totally doomed with this kit, it was a but of a guess on ebay but the pressure plate seems to be correct at least

Fivehundred 02-21-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Borrie (Post 2296159)
I got the wrong kit maybe..

Sachs kitnr:4000 874 001
Clutch: 186 246 8031
Pressure plate: 3082 204 033
Release bearing: 3151 189 031

Am i totally doomed with this kit, it was a but of a guess on ebay but the pressure plate seems to be correct at least

That should be fine, 4000 874 001 is the M90 turbo intercooler clutch kit. All you now need is a Motronic dog dish flywheel, which I can't remember whether or not it exists.

BB-Q 02-22-2009 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fivehundred (Post 2296186)
That should be fine, 4000 874 001 is the M90 turbo intercooler clutch kit. All you now need is a Motronic dog dish flywheel, which I can't remember whether or not it exists.

Isn't it the same as the LH2.4 one? I'm sure my B230ET had the same flywheel as a 940.

CHESH740R 02-22-2009 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fivehundred (Post 2296186)
That should be fine, 4000 874 001 is the M90 turbo intercooler clutch kit. All you now need is a Motronic dog dish flywheel, which I can't remember whether or not it exists.

All M46'd Motoronic cars had the dog dish flywheel as standard. Its not the same as the LH2.4 due to the differing crank sensors.

Fivehundred 02-22-2009 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHESH740R (Post 2296874)
All M46'd Motoronic cars had the dog dish flywheel as standard. Its not the same as the LH2.4 due to the differing crank sensors.

Excellent, couldn't remember if it was flat or not. Looks like he's good to go.

foggyjames 02-23-2009 10:12 PM

Anyone got any ideas what an M90 with part number 1208650 (definitely xxxx650...I'm pretty sure it started 1208...and I'm too lazy to go and look again :rofl: ) would be?

It supposedly came from a 1997 940 with a B230FK, but that part number doesn't match anything I can find, including in Vadis.

cheers

James

frpe82 02-24-2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foggyjames (Post 2299578)
Anyone got any ideas what an M90 with part number 1208650 (definitely xxxx650...I'm pretty sure it started 1208...and I'm too lazy to go and look again :rofl: ) would be?

It supposedly came from a 1997 940 with a B230FK, but that part number doesn't match anything I can find, including in Vadis.

cheers

James

And I guess you are sure that it is a redblock M90?

foggyjames 03-01-2009 08:15 PM

Sorry about the slow reply...

I can't be entirely sure until I try it, but 99% certain. I think I'll try counting shaft rotations in 5th...

cheers

James

RobSmith 03-05-2009 05:55 PM

Hi James
I have my 940 dangling around up on blocks of wood at the moment so I can fix the rear brakes. I can get underneith easily enough to look what the part numbers are. That is an M90L2 and I have another M90 in the shed. I will look at that too.

I will also be changing the clutch and binning the dual mass flywheel soon.

Rob

foggyjames 03-05-2009 08:53 PM

That's be great Rob, thanks!

cheers

James

RobSmith 03-06-2009 06:26 PM

My M90L has a number 1208837 or 1208337. The 8 or three is where the sticker is damaged so cant tell if it is a 3 or 8
That came from a 1997ish car


My M90L2 has the number P 1208947 and is in my 1998 Celebration 940.

Neither match yours though..... oh well



On a similar M90 note: I ordered a Valeo 826450 clutch kit as our local company does not do Sachs parts.
Anyway I opened the box and inside is a Sachs clutch. So that is good

Rob

Steve940Estate 03-06-2009 07:51 PM

I have been looking for numbers on my M90, no sticker but there is a cleaner rectangle where a sticker probably was. Is that where it should be ?
I've got a clutch and flywheel coming in the post. Hopefully it will turn up on Monday.
What are you planning to do about spacing the clutch pivot ? I haven't had a chance to study it yet. Putting a few washers behind it is suggested, would a proper spacer be better ?

foggyjames 03-06-2009 10:29 PM

Rob...I think it's probably a 9...i.e. 1208937...an M90L. Vadis says...

1208937 - "B230FK 4DRS Chassis 238058- B230FT"
1208947 - "B230FK 5DRS Chassis 198077-"

I just checked this against one of Fred's posts at the beginning of this thread, and it's true - there is a different box for saloons and estates, and those two part numbers are the 'final' versions of each box. In other words, the L2s are estate only.

Why would Volvo put the "ultimate" box in an estate only? Is it not possible that the L2 is different to the late "937" M90L only in that it has a taller 5th gear ratio, and that "937" M90Ls (i.e. from late saloons) have all the strength upgrades? It doesn't seem to make sense that estates would have stronger boxes than saloons of the same age.

Rob...are you able to check the part number of the output shaft casing (of the loose box will do...don't want you crawling in the dirt!) when you get a moment, please? I'm talking about the number cast into the rear of the box, on the opposite side to the reversing light switch. If yours is the same as mine, I think it's safe to say that the part number I quoted earlier (1208650...will confirm that I got that right tomorrow) is for that section of gearbox casing only.

I'll try counting output shaft rotations in 5th tomorrow, too.

cheers

James

frpe82 03-07-2009 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foggyjames (Post 2319258)
the L2s are estate only.

Not really. Generally just assumptions.

All the "Classic" 940's got the L2 box unless you specified it to be equipped otherwise. It is just that the saloons are much more rare.

The L2 also came in a big chunk of 940's in 1997, but most of them were estates since those usually had a different engine (B230FK vs. FT) and different rear end ratio. Probably due to the cargo capabilities, the roof rails and the tow hitch.

foggyjames 03-07-2009 05:36 PM

So is there more than one part number for the L2...one other than 1208947? We know the "937" is a plain M90L, and Vadis says that box went right through to the end of production for saloons. "937" (saloon) and "947" (estate) are the only two redblock M90s at the end of production, so either Vadis is wrong about 947 being 5-door only, or L2s only came in estates. It just doesn't tally, otherwise...check out your own list on the first page - it only lists the L2 against 5 doors. Sadly Vadis doesn't say what version of the M90 is associated with which part number...that would make this a lot easier.

After 1995, here in the UK, FTs were never common....the vast majority of cars in all years and both body styles were then FKs.

Rob - is your Celebration a saloon or estate. If it's a saloon, that would prove Vadis wrong...unless it had a box-swap at some point :rofl:

cheers

James

Steve940Estate 03-07-2009 06:08 PM

I looked at the part numbers I have on my box, the only one I can read is 1023650, which is the part number for the end cover casting I think. This is out of a 1996, M reg car 230fk. I'm not sure what the numbers are on the one in tha car but was interested to see if they are the same.
I guess the actual version number is on a sticker like the rear axle.

foggyjames 03-07-2009 08:11 PM

Yeah, the sticker is very much like the one on the axle...when it's present :rofl:

It looks like the '650' number is indeed just for that piece of the casing...:-(

cheers

James

frpe82 03-08-2009 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foggyjames (Post 2320187)
So is there more than one part number for the L2...one other than 1208947? We know the "937" is a plain M90L, and Vadis says that box went right through to the end of production for saloons. "937" (saloon) and "947" (estate) are the only two redblock M90s at the end of production, so either Vadis is wrong about 947 being 5-door only, or L2s only came in estates. It just doesn't tally, otherwise...check out your own list on the first page - it only lists the L2 against 5 doors. Sadly Vadis doesn't say what version of the M90 is associated with which part number...that would make this a lot easier.

After 1995, here in the UK, FTs were never common....the vast majority of cars in all years and both body styles were then FKs.

Rob - is your Celebration a saloon or estate. If it's a saloon, that would prove Vadis wrong...unless it had a box-swap at some point :rofl:

cheers

James

The FK cars were the ones normally associated with the L2 box actually, even though they came in cars with both FK and FT engines.

And they exist in saloons as well. It is just that it might be...

1: Regional.
2: The "Classic" saloons are much more rare.
3: The saloons never came with the L2 unless it had a package/configuration that required it.

And the "Classic" saloons I have seen in real life can be counted on one hand, where as only one of them had the L2 as far as I know. Most of the "Classic" estates had the L2, and most of them had the FK engine.

So that leads me to beleive that the Classic saloons never normally got the L2 box. Only if it was specifically requested as part of a package when the order was made.


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