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unbalanced chemical
![]() Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Apache Junction, AZ
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![]() Ok so lets just say that as I am making more power I am starting to rethink my tranmission.
Currently power is around 400+bhp at the engine and as I am working on a few more minor upgrade (GT3582R and new exhaust header) I plan on the car making a bit more power in the future. In doing so I am starting to tire of my 200R4 in the car. Besides the entire annoyance of the kickdown cable and the NIW intake manifold, Nevermind the way that the transmission shifts under light throttle input (boost runs away) I am just not happy with it anymore. While I love the smoothness of the autotrans when under full load I just have to many little issues with it (the entire GM transmissions loving to leak fluid). I am looking for the next options for these kind of power levels. While I do happen to have a CD009 adapter setup here (this is my number 1 option) as I know it will hold the power and manually shifting that kind of power just sounds fun. I know I could go with say a built Th400 to ditch the kickdown I feel like I wouldn't enjoy the car as much as I love the ratios's (4th gear) on the 200r4 as the car is still a daily driver in winter so I enjoy being able to use it on the highway. So saying that I would think that my next options if I wanted to stay Auto would be a 4l60e (not know for holding HP) or a 4l80e (5spd auto might be nice) these are computer controlled tranmissions and add an extra layer of effort. The car does have a MS II setup so if there are options to control one of these tranmissions with MS then I would be interested to hear. So there is my rant for today, what other tranmission options do I have for this kind of power level while still being able to enjoy the car on the higway? CD009 or maybe a 4l80e? |
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Salaminizer
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Reading pa
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![]() 700R4 can take it, the 500hp Grand National I posted in OT has been running that for years. The shop car (Twin turbo Grand National) ran a bunch of flat 10s on 200R4 with a noob driver, and it was a daily driver.
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Quebec, CAN
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![]() I'd say CD009 with a 3.31 final drive. That's what I'm going for but I'm also swapping a B6284t thereso it's a little different than your setup.
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unbalanced chemical
![]() Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Apache Junction, AZ
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![]() Does the 700r4 have good options for ditching the TV cable? I need to talk to a local trans builder here to see if there is a good option for losing it on my current setup. My current trans also has a manual trans brake. While great for drag racing is also a huge problem as my 1-2 shift is around 5500rpm. Stupid v6turbo.
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Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: 901
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![]() This would control a 60e/80e and allow you to ditch the kickdown cable. No clue how well it works though.
https://www.efisource.com/wp/shop/4l...-control-unit/ |
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Join Date: Apr 2017
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![]() I believe to loose the TV cable on a 200r4 or 700r4 you have to install a full manual valve body
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Marionville, Ontario, Canada
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![]() There are full-manual kits for the 4l60/4l80, IIRC. No computer required. This one is DIY.
https://atracom.blob.core.windows.ne.../2015_3_32.pdf A basic 'Poi-shift' box could also control the transmission, IMO. It would be full manual then, but you'd need a way to switch the gears.
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![]() Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: PDX
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![]() 80e with an extra microsquirt box to control the trans linked to the main ecu via can.
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Hunting for a turbo
![]() Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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![]() What about a TKO600? They seem like they will take the abuse, but don't like RPM past 6k...
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cornholio, OR
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![]() This would be my first option if the trans is well supported.
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k-jet groupie
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Brooksville/Tampa, FL
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![]() Do a built 4L60E with a stand alone controller. The 4L60 is just a 700R4 with no tv and electronically shifted. A 4L80 is always a better option and can take around 800 ft/lb stock but its alot of transmission to put behind a 4 cylinder.
The 80E is simply a TH400 with overdrive, has a really tall first gear and only came in 3/4-1 ton trucks and is very heavy. The 60E has a much more performance oriented gear spread and came in everything from vettes to Holdens etc. But anything much over 6-700hp the 80E makes more sense.
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Fort wort
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They see me trollin'
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: DM12
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![]() I run the EFI source pnp microsquirt kit for the 4l80. 4 wires to hook up (power, ground, and 2 CAN lines). Aside from setting the tire size in the TCU, I haven’t touched it in 3 years. About as easy as it gets for a tcu controlled transmission.
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k-jet groupie
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Brooksville/Tampa, FL
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I think in a Volvo thats what 3500 lbs? With a 4 cyl that has a progressive torque curve you would be surprised how well a stock 60E or 70E would do in that application. The V8's are brutal on them. |
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Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Fort wort
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monroe, OR USA
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Location: Monterey/Falun
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![]() I second this, my micro controlled 80e has been great. I think the micro kit is like 450 bucks. Really hard to beat. If youre still going to drag race it, no reason to make it slower and swap in a stick
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Location: Dallas, TX
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![]() Coming from some one with no real long term experience with one in his car, I don't believe that statement one bit.
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Location: Monterey/Falun
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![]() Got 10 bucks on that 60e ****ting the bed within 6 months of the first drive with the blower
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Weare, NH
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![]() I mean how much bigger does everyone think a 4L80E is? He's already got a GM auto trans in there, it's really not much bigger.
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#23 |
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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![]() my 2 cents:
my 700r4 had 250k on it before I put a shift kit, boost valve and corvette servo in it, have put 25+psi from a t04e and a 75 shot on it for a while now and it still shifts perfect. Just took it to the track again this last saturday and its still going strong. my "built" 60e behind a completely stock 4.8 with twin 52s has been trying to give me 4 neutrals since day 1 and on the gate it probably doesn't make much more power than my redblock |
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Location: PDX
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#25 |
PV Abuser
![]() Join Date: May 2004
Location: St. Louis
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![]() There are a lot of 4l60 Sloppy Mechanics memes.
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