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Old 10-09-2015, 08:39 AM   #1
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Just bought a nice '90 244 and am replacing the little things that get lost over the years from previous owners. Belly pan is on its way but now I'm reading that there is another piece in front of that? Air guide?

I've found one pic of it searching through the forums. Where can I pick this up? Salvage yard only?

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Old 10-09-2015, 09:39 AM   #2
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Only place I know of. Never seen a reproduction.
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:42 AM   #3
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The plastic belly pan is crap, the early 240s came with steel pans that fit and don't break.
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Old 10-09-2015, 11:14 AM   #4
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A 90 would use this style.

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Old 10-09-2015, 01:34 PM   #5
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Great info and thanks for the pic Redwood Chair.
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Old 10-09-2015, 11:41 PM   #6
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The plastic belly pan is crap, the early 240s came with steel pans that fit and don't break.
The older metal pan had vent with screening over it in the front of it...whereas the plastic one is solid (no vent)

I've had both and as far as keeping the rain/snow out, I prefered the plastic ones.

but the metal ones are tougher.
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The older metal pan had vent with screening over it in the front of it...whereas the plastic one is solid (no vent)

I've had both and as far as keeping the rain/snow out, I prefered the plastic ones.

but the metal ones are tougher.
Some had the screen, others were louvered such that stuff stayed out.
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Commando is longer,

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91+ is the same as the 83-90 but it has the cut out for the AC hard lines that run back down the frame rail.

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Old 10-10-2015, 01:26 AM   #9
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The plastic belly pan is crap
No it isn't.

Mine's lasted a decade and a half and it's in good shape.

Then again, I don't beat the bark off it.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:29 AM   #10
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^If it's got all 7? fasteners and a flat bar and/or some large fender washers to spread the load out, it will take a paint can at 45mph . Can't be that bad, except hosing all the white paint off

Seals the crud out nicely.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:47 AM   #11
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Sooooo.......where can I gets me one?
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Old 10-10-2015, 10:39 AM   #12
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Disregard......Johann240 has me sorted.

Thanks everyone for the prompt replies.
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Just bought a nice '90 244 and am replacing the little things that get lost over the years from previous owners. Belly pan is on its way but now I'm reading that there is another piece in front of that? Air guide?

I've found one pic of it searching through the forums. Where can I pick this up? Salvage yard only?

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The part was still available from the dealer last year and is inexpensive. If you need a part number let me know and I will crawl under my '88 244.
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Old 10-10-2015, 01:24 PM   #14
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I'm not sure why anyone even bothers with the plastic pans anyways when you can buy a nice aluminum one from IPD . The only thing I modify on them is I weld a piece of aluminum to block off the IPD logo that's burned out . So far I've bought two for two of my 240's . One of the first mods I make on them .
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I'm not sure why anyone even bothers with the plastic pans anyways when you can buy a nice aluminum one from IPD . The only thing I modify on them is I weld a piece of aluminum to block off the IPD logo that's burned out . So far I've bought two for two of my 240's . One of the first mods I make on them .
Because they spring back when something hits them. Unlike an aluminum one that is too thin to do any real protecting of the car and dents when struck. An aluminum splash shield sounds like a huge waste of money to me.
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I'm not sure why anyone even bothers with the plastic pans anyways when you can buy a nice aluminum one from IPD . The only thing I modify on them is I weld a piece of aluminum to block off the IPD logo that's burned out . So far I've bought two for two of my 240's . One of the first mods I make on them .
I don't really like the aluminum one...doesn't seal and fit the body/around the tie rods as well as OE. I also hangs way forward and is more likely than the OE to hit stuff.

Like I said, with some big fender washers or flat to spread the load, the plastic one will take a paint can.

The plastic gets brittle and ages, sure, but a decent plastic one goes quite a while (maybe worse in the south with more heat and UV?).

The early metal one is good, but I'd block off the "vent."
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I don't really like the aluminum one...doesn't seal and fit the body/around the tie rods as well as OE. I also hangs way forward and is more likely than the OE to hit stuff.

Like I said, with some big fender washers or flat to spread the load, the plastic one will take a paint can.

The plastic gets brittle and ages, sure, but a decent plastic one goes quite a while (maybe worse in the south with more heat and UV?).

The early metal one is good, but I'd block off the "vent."
The two I have fit great and seal up really well . I also don't lower my cars so maybe that's what you are referring to when they are more likely to hit ? I know the aluminum pan does a much better job at keeping out water from splashing up than the plastic one . I had an issue in some heavy rains but once I switched to the aluminum pan I no longer had the problem .

So what sort of roads would you be driving on to be hitting that pan?
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IDK, I always found the plastic one kept all the water out. It totally seals around the body there basically with just small openings for the tie rods. The aluminum thing has huge gaps on the sides.

I don't lower anything either. I just ended up thinking the aluminum one wasn't really any better and a lot more expensive and a whole lot worse at actually sealing all the dirt and water out.
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IDK, I always found the plastic one kept all the water out. It totally seals around the body there basically with just small openings for the tie rods. The aluminum thing has huge gaps on the sides.

I don't lower anything either. I just ended up thinking the aluminum one wasn't really any better and a lot more expensive and a whole lot worse at actually sealing all the dirt and water out.

The plastic pan is molded/form fitted. IPD's aluminum pan is not going to do a better job of sealing against water intrusion. None of my cars are lowered either. I don't hit things in the roadways. My customer's, that's a whole different issue. Who knows how they drive. A common belly pan damage scenario is forgetting about the parking curbs in front of the car and driving right over them. The plastic pan can take a hit like that and spring back. The steel and aluminum pans are pretty much done after that.
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I believe the use of the belly pan leads to the longevity of our bricks, no question in my mind.
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The plastic pan is molded/form fitted. IPD's aluminum pan is not going to do a better job of sealing against water intrusion. None of my cars are lowered either. I don't hit things in the roadways. My customer's, that's a whole different issue. Who knows how they drive. A common belly pan damage scenario is forgetting about the parking curbs in front of the car and driving right over them. The plastic pan can take a hit like that and spring back. The steel and aluminum pans are pretty much done after that.
However the plastic pan will not protect as well against those mishaps ! I guess that was my selling point for the aluminum pans.

I only remember the pan on my 88 . I remember it being crap and I didn't want to spend $40 on another plastic pan . It has been a while sense I was able to look at a stock one installed So I crawled under a few of my 240's and saw a fairly nice one under the 242GT but it seems thicker and better build than the original I had on my 88 . The 88 244 and 86 245 I have, both have the IPD aluminum pans on them. I guess I would have to take a good hard look at a newish stock Volvo one sometime again.

Here is the one on the 242 GT .


this is the IPD pan on the 245


So I see your point Kjets On a Plane

how thick are the ones they sell as a replacement ? This GT one is rather thick! it might actually take a good hit . But I still want to say that I remember the 88 one being thin. Now that I am actually looking at all this again I may weld some aluminum in to fill those gaps up higher on the IPD one. but They do work great and I have had them on the cars a very long time.

I may take a turn at purchasing a plastic replacement for the diesel 240 and I have that 92 I just picked up . So if they are decent enough replacements I may do both. I mean you can buy 3 for less than one aluminum one so I totally get the cost factor.

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I believe the use of the belly pan leads to the longevity of our bricks, no question in my mind.
Yea ! whichever one you use I would say they are a must !

someone had made a decent Stainless one under my 86 when I bought it . I gave it to a friend to put on his 240 when I replaced it with the IPD one.

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Wait...wait. So is the belly pan that I ordered from eEuroparts http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/4279...y-Pan-1382407/
and the pics that Redwood Chair posted basically the same thing?

I understood the belly pan and the "air guide" as two different pieces.
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Wait...wait. So is the belly pan that I ordered from eEuroparts http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/4279...y-Pan-1382407/
and the pics that Redwood Chair posted basically the same thing?

I understood the belly pan and the "air guide" as two different pieces.
They are . Sorry for any confusion from my other post' .

Here is shot of the air direction thingy on the 88 .



The earlier style didn't even have that part open . At least not on this 1979 GT .
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Old 10-10-2015, 04:40 PM   #25
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From your pics......is the air guide held on with sheet metal clips or are there supposed to be bolted somehow. Apologies for all the questions. My OCD kicks in on these sorts of things and I want it secured like the factory had it.
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