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2015 volvo v60 xc transmission issues ?

Jack

Jack

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coincidently both my mom and my gfs mom have nearly the same car, both bought "new" demo off the dealer lot in 2015
my moms car is 2015 v60 t5 - she's had almost no issues with it

gfs mom's car is 2015 v60xc - serpentine belt jumped to the timing belt area and bent valves - warranty work
has the oil consumption failure - her engine is due for a replacement under warranty

lately when shifting gears (mainly 40-60mph) it randomly felt like the trans was slipping. We got the fluid replaced, it's better but now it's almost like sometimes it has a hard time deciding what gear it wants to go into again on light to medium acceleration between 40-60
no codes etc

I know nothing about these cars.
trans fucked or is it some actuators going bad that can be replaced without trans overhaul

thanks
 
All you can really do is drain the fluid and inspect for metal debris. If you find any metal, you replace the trans. If no metal, you could put a new valve body on it, program/relearn as needed, and hope it fixes it.
 
Have you tried a relearn procedure like ZVOLV mentioned? It's a pretty quick process the dealer could do for you. We used to do a TON of relearns on the junk ZF transmissions for E46 BMWs and the X series SUVs. Not sure how many miles are on it, but may also be a clutch pack distance relearn procedure like on BMWs as well. Unfortunately there's no good way to know what's bad without a very in-depth diagnostic procedure or just throwing parts at it to see what sticks. Even with the dealer tools Volvos are notoriously tight-lipped with live data.
 
Throwing parts at it gets expensive
I’ll call the dealership if they did the relearn procedure… she takes it to the dealer but they fucking suck.

Looking for someone who works on these as the info I found so far is written by retards
 
I know that if an engine isn't running right, the trans can start shifting like crap because the load signal isn't correct. I would expect a CEL, but it's a possible issue.

You start with the least intrusive repair and then go up from there. Relearn is a worth a try, but if there is an internal issue, the problem will return.
 
Jack said:
YV4612HKXF1001472


Not sure I would guess 3-4 or maybe 2-3
I didn’t pay enough attention but I will next time I drive it
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That vin has the TF80 transmission - The 6 speed.

I don't see a mileage listed, the only TF80 major problems I've seen with them are
- Torque converter shudder- this is typically found on the V8s
- worn valve body (the solenoids can't seal properly in the worn channels, so you get some strange shifting from that)
-There are two TJ's available for the transmission but both are related. The first one is for 5-4 downshift shudder, and the second is for N-D harsh shift. Both essentially the same- there is a script in VIDA to try and make these better. If it fails, then you need to disassemble the transmission and install a seal kit on one of the shafts. I've only done this once. Most people live with it once they're out of warranty. Related - there is an updated TCM (the actual module) but it looks like your car has it.


Of note- The transmission is adaptive, so if your in-law drives gently, then you jump in and drive it hard, it may shift funny as it has adapted to her driving style.

IF you were slipping a band or clutch, the transmission would store a fault for incorrect gear ratio. So if it is a mechanical fault, I'd be leaning towards lazy valve body.

We do transmission flushes every 80K Km (Volvos sever duty interval, otherwise it is lifetime) and we see significantly less transmission issues than locations that don't.

Where I would go with this.
Transmission flush then through VIDA I would reset the adaptation and do the adaptation road test. Then drive it for a few thousand miles. See if it clears up.

Jordan
 
GTJordan said:
That vin has the TF80 transmission - The 6 speed.

I don't see a mileage listed, the only TF80 major problems I've seen with them are
- Torque converter shudder- this is typically found on the V8s
- worn valve body (the solenoids can't seal properly in the worn channels, so you get some strange shifting from that)
-There are two TJ's available for the transmission but both are related. The first one is for 5-4 downshift shudder, and the second is for N-D harsh shift. Both essentially the same- there is a script in VIDA to try and make these better. If it fails, then you need to disassemble the transmission and install a seal kit on one of the shafts. I've only done this once. Most people live with it once they're out of warranty. Related - there is an updated TCM (the actual module) but it looks like your car has it.


Of note- The transmission is adaptive, so if your in-law drives gently, then you jump in and drive it hard, it may shift funny as it has adapted to her driving style.

IF you were slipping a band or clutch, the transmission would store a fault for incorrect gear ratio. So if it is a mechanical fault, I'd be leaning towards lazy valve body.

We do transmission flushes every 80K Km (Volvos sever duty interval, otherwise it is lifetime) and we see significantly less transmission issues than locations that don't.

Where I would go with this.
Transmission flush then through VIDA I would reset the adaptation and do the adaptation road test. Then drive it for a few thousand miles. See if it clears up.

Jordan
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Thank you very much!


What’s a tj ? Like an update ?

The dealer made us sign a waver to get the trans flushed. I came from a dealership where we fixed lots of issues by flushing transmissions.
“Lifetime” means different things in different countries. unfortunately in USA it’s a legal term that’s not understood by most advisers

Her car has about 70k

My first thought was that it needs to relearn after the flush

She’s planning on keeping the car for a while as it’s paid off etc etc

I’ll check for fault codes etc too

Thanks again
 
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TJ is a Tech Journal. Volvo publishes them to help aid in diagnosis or known issues/fixes.

Yeah I see lots of dealers "lifetime" the fluid, the service manual in the car up here says severe duty is 80K (they classify it as taxi) but our climate has such a swing, better safe than sorry.

We don't typically reset the adaptation after the fluid is changed, though there is a "fluid counter" that is reset. The adaptation can take up to two hours of driving. Then it can still take thousands of KM/Miles for it to adjust to your driving style.

Jordan
 
If it is a customer-pay transmission, I usually just recommend a replacement. It is usually cheaper than paying $200/hr PLUS retail parts prices. Also, if anything goes wrong, it doesn't come back on me. I usually just end up getting another reman at that point and throwing it in.

I did a valve body on a FWD 9 speed recently. The valve body was $1,400. A replacement trans was only $2,600. The valve body fixed the problem, but there was always a chance it wasn't going to fix it.

If this were my customer, I would be quoting a replacement trans. If it were my car, I would probably start with a valve body, fresh fluid, and a relearn and hope it fixes it.

A delayed shift isn't that big of a deal. Just drive it unless they are willing to spend thousands in a repair attempt.
 
IDK why I can't edit....

Ok, so if it is slipping, you are going to end up roasting a clutch pack and having to replace the trans. It could be slipping from worn clutches/steels, failing valve body, or some internal leak such as a seal/piston/etc. If the clutches are slipping, you can usually smell burnt fluid.

Try a valve body and hope for the best, or pull it apart and look for distressed clutch packs. Or just buy a Camry.
 
ZVOLV said:
The valve body was $1,400. A replacement trans was only $2,600
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thats almost double... it comes down to knowing the product. Sure you can remove oil cap and replace the car
ZVOLV said:
IDK why I can't edit....

Ok, so if it is slipping, you are going to end up roasting a clutch pack and having to replace the trans. It could be slipping from worn clutches/steels, failing valve body, or some internal leak such as a seal/piston/etc. If the clutches are slipping, you can usually smell burnt fluid.

Try a valve body and hope for the best, or pull it apart and look for distressed clutch packs. Or just buy a Camry.
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I appreciate the input but I was after info that GTJordan stated, Theories are good but I need(ed) specifics to these transmissions

old fluid smells like burnt fluid too, also no dipstick. I worked at Toyota; camrys have issues too

ovlov760 said:
I thought the TF80 was relatively bulletproof.
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I loathe automatics but it sounds like issues are rare.
 
Burnt fluid and slipping means you have worn clutches and steels for whatever gear is slipping. The trans needs to be removed, torn down and repaired/replaced. Once a clutch has been slipping, there is nothing that will fix it other than replacing the fiber clutch plates and the steel clutch plates. You could get lucky and buy some time by fixing a leaking valve body, but it will probably start slipping again if the clutches are damaged.

Does Volvo even sell internal transmission components or have techs open them up? Many manufacturers don't even mess around with allowing techs to try to perform internal transmission repairs.
 
I googled TF80. It is an Aisin transaxle. It is Japanese.

I know how to rebuild Aisin transaxles, but it probably isn't worth the labor and parts at this point. Just replace it. End of thread.
 
ZVOLV said:
Burnt fluid and slipping means you have worn clutches and steels for whatever gear is slipping. The trans needs to be removed, torn down and repaired/replaced. Once a clutch has been slipping, there is nothing that will fix it other than replacing the fiber clutch plates and the steel clutch plates. You could get lucky and buy some time by fixing a leaking valve body, but it will probably start slipping again if the clutches are damaged.

Does Volvo even sell internal transmission components or have techs open them up? Many manufacturers don't even mess around with allowing techs to try to perform internal transmission repairs.
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did you read what gtjordan said
 
ZVOLV said:
I googled TF80. It is an Aisin transaxle. It is Japanese.

I know how to rebuild Aisin transaxles, but it probably isn't worth the labor and parts at this point. Just replace it. End of thread
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Woo whooo

is this before or after you drain the locking torque converter through the coolant drain plug

Not everyone who is a master tech has to have a plaque
 
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