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A feeler thread for a potential mod(ification)

Cool project, sounds like you've built a sweet motor. I feel like this could use a tl;dr... Is this the configuration of the engine?

B230F block / crank
GM Vortec 4.8/5.3 Pistons
158mm rods
RBP intake
RBP ported 530 head with 58cc chamber
RBP downpipe
V Cam
10.4:1 compression
 
Cool project, sounds like you've built a sweet motor. I feel like this could use a tl;dr... Is this the configuration of the engine?

B230F block / crank
GM Vortec 4.8/5.3 Pistons
158mm rods
RBP intake
RBP ported 530 head with 58cc chamber
RBP downpipe
V Cam
10.4:1 compression
I have 2 amendments to make up that list:
1. I accidentally wrote 58cc chamber, it's actually 57cc or so.
2. 0.027" MLS head gasket.

The only added notes that I have is that the downpipe is just a modified Volvo stock downpipe, with the area right before the merge cut off and replaced with a slightly squished 2.25" pipe, and that the rods have to be crank steered with room for a 24mm wrist pin in the bushing. If you want to copy it I've got 36 rods with the correct provisions.
 
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Update on the situation;
1. Still no dyno stuff. Sorry. Next time I swear.
2. Make sure that your heater hose clamps are tight so that they don't blow off your head and lose all your coolant on the highway.
3. Me and RedblockPowered spent a good 3 and a half hours doing runs back and forth on a highway, doing pulls, lugging the engine, and we developed a tune for the B230FLS blueprint. I suppose it's more appropriate to call it a tune for ultra-high squish engines, since that's the important part, and the lighter pistons simply make it much safer to do.



With 87 octane it knocks with a standard stock ignition map, however the knock is so quiet that we couldn't hear it unless we seriously cranked up the advance. Decreasing timing from stock results in no decrease in power, and filling with 93 octane allows a 20% increase in timing advance for maybe a 2-3% improvement in power. In my opinion that's not worth the additional cost for octane, so I stuck with the 87 octane map. I believe that it shows the efficacy of the fast burn characteristics, that so much change in timing can be made for very little gain.
 
So, I originally wrote up a draft to bring up stuff from before the dyno like 2 weeks ago, however it seems to be gone.

At this point, the engine has 11k miles on it. No issues have cropped up. The avlves have now been properly shimmed for 15-16 thou clearance and is so much quieter, which is something that matters for later.

MPG in mixed conditions seems to be a solid 25-26, which is also the mpg when doing a sustained 70-75mph on the highway. Going 80, at least going from eastern Mass to western NY, makes the mpg drop down to 23. I really need to do some aero work, likely aero cladding on the belly.

The transmission was swapped to a different T5 in mid November, and while pulling the old one we finally discovered that the cause of the noise for all this time was the mainshaft pilot bearings, because Borg Warner in all their wisdom didn't use any kind of race or cage so they can get loose and start rattling around after some time. Apparently it's a known issue, and why the Cobra T5z spec uses a pocket-style bearing. First second and third are much quiter, fifth is louder, and the second gear synchro is questionable. Third gear, while no longer sounding like the transmission is about to explode, now makes a whine reminiscent of a jet airliner taking off. Either way, worlds better.

To the man that I met in Brookline who owns his own 240 wagon that I talked to about the Volvol for half an hour, I hope you remember to check and see this update.

Anyway, the long awaited day has come, the culmination of 6 years of planning and 4 years of work. There are 3 dyno graphs. In order, they are:
1. The first one is the 87 octane tune with 87 octane fuel. This was the first tune made in early November with RBP.
2. The second one is the 93 octane tune on 87 octane fuel. This is the second tune made, on the same day, after refilling the tank with 10 gallons of 93. The logic here is that when we first started tuning, we noticed how the knock seemed to be completely imperceptible until we really cranked up the advance, so I reasoned that, now that the valve train isn't making a racket with the proper shimming, the knock sensor won't be quite as sensitive and possibly go off for the tiny bit of additional noise made on 87 with the more aggressive ignition curve.
3. 93 octane tune, with 4 gallons of 87 octane fuel in the tank being added to by an additional 5 gallons from a jerrycan, though with octane booster to make sure that the resulting mix is sufficiently high octane that there won't be any knock, in case my above thinking was wrong and more is affected than I thought.

The performance is standard SAE correction, power and torque at the wheels. Dynojet is estimated, because this was at a mustang dyno. To get a clear image of the whole torque curve, I had it start at 1.5k. Divide these results by 0.8 for power at the crank.

87 on 87.jpg

87 on 93.jpg
93 on 93.jpg

Additional comments/observations:
Runs 2 and 3 were effectively within tolerance. With a quieter valve train, 87 octane works fine with the more aggressive ignition, with a very marginal improvement with actual high octane.
I need a higher redline, since clearly the engine can keep pulling/breathing above redline. Probably a touch more fuel because it's running at 14-14.2 AFR when it enters closed loop, and that could give me a bit more power.
Keeping the same cam on a ported head doesn't significantly increase peak torque with the same valves, it will only increase breathing at the high end. I probably would need bigger valves/bigger cam to get that.
If I put any of the bigger redblock cams, my peak power will definitely be beyond redline and be a considerable increase, considering that the V cam is relatively tame and is only considered aggressive when compared to the M and T cams.
 
This is also a testament to how good an RBP road tune is. I see that 4k RPM torque dip on a lot of NA redblock dyno sheets. Maybe it's intake pulse frequency stuff, I've also seen dyno graphs on V8's with too much cylinder head where there was a midrange dip, and I'm not really a fan of the V, I'm going to say it. Your 530 and LH manifold are clearly flowing enough CFM. I was able to get 29mpg with a V cam and ported 530 with an automatic, could highway mpg really take a 4mpg hit from just gearing?
 
There's definitely some stuff here to invite discussion. The peak HP rpm point is well beyond anything with an F intake that I've personally seen, so I'm thinking pretty hard about that.

They ALL get the kink in the curve at about 4600, seemingly regardless of combination. Intake runner length, I presume.

It's pretty good, OP. You should feel good about it.
 
Addendum: I'm not going to call it a resounding success just yet. Maybe after 10-15k miles.
I'm at around 13k added on the clock, probably more like 14k factoring in the miles my odometer didn't count because the grease froze up in the cold this winter. I'd call it a success. The only additional noise it's making now is from the squiggle hitting the butt cheek because the clamp on the rear muffler isn't tight enough., and also the clanking of the rear axle because the bushings are shot. I'll be fixing both issues when I replace the rear end with as 3.54, whenever classicswede finds the time to ship that.
 
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