Anyone dropped a redbock into a 960/S90?

[HiSPL]

Just wondering if all the parts are there to basically bolt in a 7/9 redblock and trans into a 960 shell. Would the redblock motor mount pedestals have a place to bolt up?

 

[2manyturbos]

Why? The whiteblock is a far better design. The cross member is the same one used on a 740/940. So, yes, you could bolt a redblock into a 960.

 

[HiSPL]

Because I need a B6304 for my 242, but I also have a wrecked 745T sitting here with a good drivetrain. Just trying to make a lemon party out of all my lemons.

 

[fatcatbestcat]

World's first 960 -> 940 conversion.

 

[James M]

World's first 960 -> 940 conversion.

Considering every 760 or 260 that came with a PRV got the same treatment it's only a natural progression

 

[fatcatbestcat]

The sad part is that I'm actually looking for a 960 to not part out, but I genuinely cannot find them.

Seems like all my local HiSPLs have already parted and crushed them.

 

[mikep]

Why would you want to use stock redblock motor mounts? Throw an outrigger on that exhaust side!

 

[OldCarNewTricks]

Why? The whiteblock is a far better design. The cross member is the same one used on a 740/940. So, yes, you could bolt a redblock into a 960.

Agreed, the whiteblock is a good upgrade. I would love an NA whiteblock in my 242.

 

[HiSPL]

Considering going to look at this one, but it's a long drive for me. If the timing belt isn't broken the motor would fit my needs, since I'm going to go through it before sticking it in my 242.

1997 Volvo 960 Sedan 4D

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If I put a B230FT and an AW71 in this 960 I'd have a decent parts hauler so I could keep my current 240 clean.

 

[James M]

Are you anti wagon for some reason?

I wouldn't take the effort to save a sedan donor when they make the same car in a 5 door

 

[2manyturbos]

Considering going to look at this one, but it's a long drive for me. If the timing belt isn't broken the motor would fit my needs, since I'm going to go through it before sticking it in my 242.

1997 Volvo 960 Sedan 4D

This was a very nice Volvo sedan, it has 165000 miles. It was parked about 6 years ago and is in need of some cleaning and repair. It was running when parked. Turns over with key but does not...

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If I put a B230FT and an AW71 in this 960 I'd have a decent parts hauler so I could keep my current 240 clean.

The 2 models are so different I get the feeling you don't know what you are in for. It is not going to be a case of just drop the redblock in there.

 

[HiSPL]

Are you anti wagon for some reason?

I wouldn't take the effort to save a sedan donor when they make the same car in a 5 door

I would love a wagon, but there just aren't any around without going to the west coast.

 

[HiSPL]

The 2 models are so different I get the feeling you don't know what you are in for. It is not going to be a case of just drop the redblock in there.

Only thing I can think of is speedometer, but I think that's driven off the rear end in the 960 still.

I'd be using the ecu from the 740. Most likely just delete the AC. Would have to figure out the driveshaft for sure, but we have a driveshaft shop in my town.

This would be a first class beater.

 

[2 old for this]

I did this years ago. You need to change the front springs,the 960 engine is heavier.740 a/c. Dont remember about the cruise control. Sold it to a excellent customer that had killed three 240s and of course she killed the 960.

 

[2 old for this]

Poor girl had severe diabetes. Lost one eye. last I heard she sold all of her possessions,bought a new Honda and took a position as a college professor in Kansas.

 

[bgpzfm142]

Just wondering if all the parts are there to basically bolt in a 7/9 redblock and trans into a 960 shell. Would the redblock motor mount pedestals have a place to bolt up?

You'd need to pull the engine mount pedestals out of the 745 front crossmember and put 'em in the 960. (You'll need to remove the 960 pedestals anyway for putting the B6304 into the 242).
Swap the dash cluster over for an LH2.4 suitable version speedo and 4-pot tacho.

That's basically what Mother Volvo did for the US edition of the 940 SE....

 

[HiSPL]

You'd need to pull the engine mount pedestals out of the 745 front crossmember and put 'em in the 960. (You'll need to remove the 960 pedestals anyway for putting the B6304 into the 242).
Swap the dash cluster over for an LH2.4 suitable version speedo and 4-pot tacho.

That's basically what Mother Volvo did for the US edition of the 940 SE....

Sweet. I should have everything needed except for the dash. I don't think ours survived the crash. Not a huge deal either way. I don't actually need a speedo to pass inspection here. I've passed inspection using a phone app for speed. I might do an OBD adaptor with a cheap tablet.

 

[2manyturbos]

That’s way off base. There’s almost no similarity between a 960 and a 940 as far as their electrical system and engine management harnesses are concerned.The 960 runs Motronic fuel injection. That uses one computer to run everything. You need to rewire the car in order to have a separate ignition and fuel computer. That means either trying to Kluge together two 9 series harnesses or putting in a 240 engine harness to run almost stand alone. You also have no way to control the electric overdrive on the AW 71. The drive shaft is also different on a 960. If the AW 30–40 transmission is the same length as an AW 71 then you can use the 960 driveshaft.

 

[HiSPL]

That’s way off base. There’s almost no similarity between a 960 and a 940 as far as their electrical system and engine management harnesses are concerned.The 960 runs Motronic fuel injection. That uses one computer to run everything. You need to rewire the car in order to have a separate ignition and fuel computer. That means either trying to Kluge together two 9 series harnesses or putting in a 240 engine harness to run almost stand alone. You also have no way to control the electric overdrive on the AW 71. The drive shaft is also different on a 960. If the AW 30–40 transmission is the same length as an AW 71 then you can use the 960 driveshaft.

Yeah I got that.

The only thing I'll need from the 960 is the power for the windows and lights. None of that runs through the M4.4 so I think I'm OK there. The 960 DOES have a PATS system that crosses streams with the doors, but I don't believe it will have any function that disables the door locks or the lights. I have disabled the PATS on a 960 before and the car ran fine, but the red light blinked constantly.

I will not be using the M4.4 for anything. At all. I will pull the ECU and ICU out of the 740 and run them standalone. This has been done countless times on countless cars. They won't care that they are in a 960.

I would most likely pull the ignition switch out of the 740 if possible, but the steering column is pretty mangled. If not I'll do a tablet/old phone dash using GPS speed.

What else?

For what its worth, I envision a mad max style parts getter and maybe even a Gambler rig. If the B230 is lighter than the B6304 then thats great. Free lift. I will see if I can get some air shocks that fit the rear.

 

[2manyturbos]

The current 960 speedometer/cluster will work fine. You should be able to install a 940 tach.