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Can we officially address the Myths on the TB forum (w primary sources)

Was that you who left the review of the URO 2.5 bar unit on FCP? I'm curious if there was any noticeble impact to driveability, power, or economy.

I'll contribute another myth I see thrown around - the idea that you can adjust the base idle to be higher etc. on LH2.4 or Regina by playing with the throttle stop. The computer doesn't like it if it's anything other than factory base idle settings and it will compensate in a very crappy way.
 
Was that you who left the review of the URO 2.5 bar unit on FCP? I'm curious if there was any noticeble impact to driveability, power, or economy.

I'll contribute another myth I see thrown around - the idea that you can adjust the base idle to be higher etc. on LH2.4 or Regina by playing with the throttle stop. The computer doesn't like it if it's anything other than factory base idle settings and it will compensate in a very crappy way.
Yeah I have to delete that lol. It actually running better was an electrical issue. Something behind the dashboard. What an embarrassing goose chase that was. Definitely learned not to trust the online consensus on stuff like specified values. Always read your workshop information!
 
I've seen a lot of facts that probably originated from someone's guess or assumption at some point in the past. Like b230 being non interference, m46 is stronger than m47, skinny rod blows up at 16psi, wd40 isn't a lubricant, etc.
 
I've seen a lot of facts that probably originated from someone's guess or assumption at some point in the past. Like b230 being non interference,
Not too sure where you're getting your own misinformation, but the SOHC B230 is normally considered a non-interference engine. There are a few rare cases where clearance may be reduced to the point of creating an interference situation, such as using an optional H-cam, K-cam, (correction:) B230K with T-cam (not avail in North America', or a shaved B23E head. However, the 4-cylinder red block DOHC 16-valve B234F and B204F engines that came in a few 740/940 models from 1989 (1988 in Europe) to 1991 are definitely interference.
 
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Not too sure where you're getting your own misinformation, but the SOHC B230 is considered a non-interference engine. The common B230F is certainly non-interference. The exception is the rare K-cam (B230K) or H-cam engines that can reduce clearance enough to create an interference setup, especially if the cylinder head has been shaved or decked. The only real interference 4 cylinder red block is the DOHC 16-valve B234F engine available in certain 740/940s from 1989 (1988 in Europe) to 1991.

I lost a timing belt on a 740GL once. I costed into a parking lot and called a cousin to bring the tow dolly. Got it back to the shop, fixed the leaking seal, installed a new belt and was back on the road the same day.
 
Not too sure where you're getting your own misinformation, but the SOHC B230 is normally considered a non-interference engine. There are a few rare cases where clearance may be reduced to the point of creating an interference situation, such as using an optional H-cam, K-cam (std w/B230K, not avail in North America), or shaving the head. However, the 4-cylinder red block DOHC 16-valve B234F and B204F engines that came in a few 740/940 models from 1989 (1988 in Europe) to 1991 are definitely interference.

Lulz this post itself is kind of hilarious and ironic;
B230K are the 631 ‘heron’ head engines w/fhe combustion chamber in the piston and a very complicated single carburetor (do they just love horrific carbs for the UK market?).
It is interference, but it has a T-cam.
We didn’t get those in North America; they seem to have been a largely brief niche UK phenomenon for the most part?
Economical (10:1 compression carbed?), but carbureted, but not quite 3rd world simple / 85octane gas compatible nor <2L displacement capped…strange niche SOHC redblock configuration?
I think even mostly found in 7 series of all things?
Presumably they’re all dead & gone by now / long since rusted out or MOT failed and scrapped?
Maybe you could still have a better quality car than a miserable rover in a volvo, but a fuel Econ spec of it back when computers and FI was still costly, but in a country that had better refined fuel was the gist of it, idk?

The K and H cam engines if the head is original height often the valves just barely touch the tops of the pistons, but not always depending how much above or below deck height the pistons are @ TDC (they vary some…very late cast crank B23s and B230s pistons just slightly above deck and earlier engines 4-8thou down oftentimes iirc?) and compressed HG thickness on B23Es I’ve found?
You guys got K-cam B23E ‘81-‘82, no?

B230 based boat engines we got in North America with K, H & V cams are often very slightly interference (it’s fairly rare that the valves actually hit / are fully open or cam stops in a place with valves fully open while the engine spins down, but i digress?).

All the 16V and whiteblock interference, but 90%+ of them expired ~10+ years before the other redblocks and will probably be largely forgotten soon enough, so no need to know?
or everybody knows?
Or everybody that needs to know knows?
Or something like that? :lol:

In the time of slop and misinformation / no reliable digitized source of green books and so many counterfeit parts and most OE parts long since NLA in the race to the bottom / specs getting lost in translation for the cheap repops, and so much wear and time the cars have been pounding pavement and mixed around, good luck making sense of any of it?
 
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Myth: VX3 is a VX advanced 3 degrees

It's actually ground on a wider 103.5° LSA. I documented this in the valve events thread, and I've found it backed up by 2+ other sources on Swedish forums.

Edit: another myth:

B230F is not 9.8:1, it's closer to 9.1:1. Source: me since I have measured all of this. Chambers are 54-54.5cc. Pistons have 8cc of dish. Pistons are oftentimes .004" above the the deck. Head gasket hole is 97-98mm. Elring says the compressed thickness of the gasket is .047".

B230FT is around 8.3:1.
 
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My understanding is that a stock m cam b230f is like borderline interference to the point that it's pretty darn unlikely you'll ever bend a valve, but if you cut the head or put any cam worth having in there you can bend valves for sure.
 
Not too sure where you're getting your own misinformation, but the SOHC B230 is normally considered a non-interference engine. There are a few rare cases where clearance may be reduced to the point of creating an interference situation, such as using an optional H-cam, K-cam, (correction:) B230K with T-cam (not avail in North America', or a shaved B23E head. However, the 4-cylinder red block DOHC 16-valve B234F and B204F engines that came in a few 740/940 models from 1989 (1988 in Europe) to 1991 are definitely interference.
A V cam will render a stock engine interference.

Anthonyhardy2 is correct, there is a thread where measurements and assumptions are explicitly stated and backed up.
 
Myth: VX3 is a VX advanced 3 degrees

It's actually ground on a wider 103.5° LSA. I documented this in the valve events thread, and I've found it backed up by 2+ other sources on Swedish forums.

Edit: another myth:

B230F is not 9.8:1, it's closer to 9.1:1. Source: me since I have measured all of this. Chambers are 54-54.5cc. Pistons have 8cc of dish. Pistons are oftentimes .004" above the the deck. Head gasket hole is 97-98mm. Elring says the compressed thickness of the gasket is .047".

B230FT is around 8.3:1.
When I was doing some math around this I found that Volvo was off by about the thickness of the head gasket.
 
93+ B230 with oil quarters is the best combination.

In reality, the oils squirters don’t provide any real benefit for 99.9999999999999% of turbobrickers.
 
93+ B230 with oil quarters is the best combination.

In reality, the oils squirters don’t provide any real benefit for 99.9999999999999% of turbobrickers.
All the molestation and tweak is nebulous at best, regardless, no? :lol:

‘It’s only original once.’

The squirters help the average low oil level neglected B230 eeek along w/o slap, but the tooling tolerances on the last of the redblocks aren’t always as good as their earlier variants and stock e-fan cars run near the ragged edge of nuclear meltdown, so pick your poison, idk? :e-shrug:

V-cam will usually spin all the way around on earlier B21/23 w/the pistons often 8-12thou down the hole @ TDC, but interference in most others, yes?
 
Oh, another hill I’ll die on is a mechanical clutch fan isn’t costing you the horsepower you think it is. An Efan still needs power so you’ve got the spin the alternator.
I think the difference there is the efan is very rarely running when you're using peak HP on a street car but the mech fan is always pulling some amount of power. You're probably right that it isn't using as much HP as people think it does though since they have clutches.

In reality, the oils squirters don’t provide any real benefit for 99.9999999999999% of turbobrickers.
Anecdotally the squirter engines supposedly generally have less bore wear but that doesn't mean anything in this thread (or in general really) and I doubt anyone's ever going to actually try to measure enough B230s bores to get a real comparison.
 
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