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Salaminizer
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- Nov 13, 2007
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- Reading pa
I like wagons better, but that is a cool 244. What made the decision? Can't someone else use the 244?
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Cosbysweater's Turbo LS 244
- Thread starter cosbySweater
- Start date
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
Yea they probably could. And the shell will be around for a short while unless someone offers me a good amount for the car complete. We will see what happens and what kind of room I have for everything. Im up to 6 cars and only one garage so that's where alot of this comes into play as well
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
244 is gone! It was fun, but it was also time to move on.
D.E
tvåförti
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2010
- Location
- Mora, Sweden
Hope you didn’t have it crushed. 
Good luck with the wagon, that R-Sport B23 is sweet.
Good luck with the wagon, that R-Sport B23 is sweet.
122power
dude
- Joined
- Feb 20, 2009
Wagon done?
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
Workin on it. I'll start another build thread eventually
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
its back. kinda
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
i have repoed this car and frankly am disgusted with alot of the modifications i did. i have put a little bit of work into it and am wondering if i should revive this thread and do some updates or start a new one....
doucheNozzle
Newbie
- Joined
- Feb 26, 2009
- Location
- The Pitt, 15147
revive for sure
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
Welp revive it is! im going to try and restore the pictures, Like i said above there were alot of things i did on this car when i was younger that i would have never done now. I got the car back knowing it was terribly slow for some reason and just never felt right after going from the 6.0 to the aluminum 5.3. thinking that something maybe with this 5.3 i put together was messed up, i preemptively purchased my own crackhouse on wheels that was powered by a lq9.
anyways, this thing should not be anywhere near as slow as it is to be honest and i really wanted to figure it out. First thing i noticed was fuel pressure was all over the place and i could not get it to build over 20 psi. pull the fuel pump octopus out of the tank and everything is fine.... I decide to just crank the fuel regulator all the way down and find man that that thing does not want to tighten up easily... I find this.....
Amazingly i was able to unclog it, cleaned the spring and threw it back in. amazingly it still works. crank up the fuel pressure to 58psi and the car runs and idles good. threw in a set of tr6 plugs and took it for a drive. Man its UNGODLY slow, at least by my standards, i pin the wastegate shut and its still taking about 4 seconds wide open to build 6 psi boost. I just start problem solving at this point, i send datalogs to friends they look and yea other then the fact its a turd and wont rev past 4k everything looks totally fine. i start looking at things and this is where my personal issue with my past work comes into play. i thought long and hard about it, with a 66/73 borg warner knock off, lq4, ls1 cam, ls1 springs, ls1 intakeand stock converter the car ran 11.4@125 at 9psi. With the new setup on e85, gtx4202r(76/75), the same lq4 but a 228/230 cam, tbss intake, circle d 3000 stall converter and pac 1218s it ran 11.003@127 at 10psi. I start looking at the time slips and thinking man something is really holding this new combo back, the later time was a much better 60 foot as well so thats where i made the time up... Maybe it was just being young or forgetting, i dont know, but i cant believe i didnt notice that before. after having this revelation, i pulled the coupler off of the throttle body and drove the car. It was faster then with the turbo hooked up. I just thought man this turbo has been nothing but problems since i installed it, i was about to just throw the stock lq9 in and order another 66/73 and call it a day. I then decided to just pull the inter cooler, checked air flow out of the compressor pre and post turbo and it was a massive difference. i decided to non intercool the car and test drive it.
the car has never been this fast. i can honestly say this is the fastest car ive ever driven. my tuning map was so messed up i went from a 34%dc on the injectors to about 90 percent at the same boost level. this intercooler has been strangling the car since i installed it. i think the reason it felt fine with the 66/73 is because in comparison it moves a whole hell of alot less air. this is the ic setup for those curious.
3.5-2.5 pipe
ic size compared to a 92mm throttle body
tiny id on the intercooler
took it out for another non intercooled rip and this happens
get t boned right down the street...........
the build is not over, after finding that power that was hiding i have new resolve to fix the car and get it on a drag and drive event.
more updates later today
anyways, this thing should not be anywhere near as slow as it is to be honest and i really wanted to figure it out. First thing i noticed was fuel pressure was all over the place and i could not get it to build over 20 psi. pull the fuel pump octopus out of the tank and everything is fine.... I decide to just crank the fuel regulator all the way down and find man that that thing does not want to tighten up easily... I find this.....
Amazingly i was able to unclog it, cleaned the spring and threw it back in. amazingly it still works. crank up the fuel pressure to 58psi and the car runs and idles good. threw in a set of tr6 plugs and took it for a drive. Man its UNGODLY slow, at least by my standards, i pin the wastegate shut and its still taking about 4 seconds wide open to build 6 psi boost. I just start problem solving at this point, i send datalogs to friends they look and yea other then the fact its a turd and wont rev past 4k everything looks totally fine. i start looking at things and this is where my personal issue with my past work comes into play. i thought long and hard about it, with a 66/73 borg warner knock off, lq4, ls1 cam, ls1 springs, ls1 intakeand stock converter the car ran 11.4@125 at 9psi. With the new setup on e85, gtx4202r(76/75), the same lq4 but a 228/230 cam, tbss intake, circle d 3000 stall converter and pac 1218s it ran 11.003@127 at 10psi. I start looking at the time slips and thinking man something is really holding this new combo back, the later time was a much better 60 foot as well so thats where i made the time up... Maybe it was just being young or forgetting, i dont know, but i cant believe i didnt notice that before. after having this revelation, i pulled the coupler off of the throttle body and drove the car. It was faster then with the turbo hooked up. I just thought man this turbo has been nothing but problems since i installed it, i was about to just throw the stock lq9 in and order another 66/73 and call it a day. I then decided to just pull the inter cooler, checked air flow out of the compressor pre and post turbo and it was a massive difference. i decided to non intercool the car and test drive it.
the car has never been this fast. i can honestly say this is the fastest car ive ever driven. my tuning map was so messed up i went from a 34%dc on the injectors to about 90 percent at the same boost level. this intercooler has been strangling the car since i installed it. i think the reason it felt fine with the 66/73 is because in comparison it moves a whole hell of alot less air. this is the ic setup for those curious.
3.5-2.5 pipe
ic size compared to a 92mm throttle body
tiny id on the intercooler
took it out for another non intercooled rip and this happens
get t boned right down the street...........
the build is not over, after finding that power that was hiding i have new resolve to fix the car and get it on a drag and drive event.
more updates later today
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- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
So after getting t boned by someone with no insurance, pat came to the rescue with a good door. Nobody got hurt and cars can be fixed. i was more motivated then ever to get the car going especially with the amount of power i had just unlocked. one other thing is, this car has always had overheating issues in heavy traffic. One time on the way to davis i got the car so hot the engine locked up, i let it sit and then it fired right back up after a few hours, lol. The car had a c4 radiator and knowing what i know now is when you have a bigger engine in these you can gain so much from just getting rid of the lower rad support and putting a massive radiator in there. looking at the c4 radiator i noticed the transmission cooler takes up like 70 percent of the passenger side tank. also knowing i was going to put the biggest intercooler i could fit in the car i started cutting.
i found this great transmission cooler bracket i made out of 1/4 inch steel, lol. then i started to mount the intercooler. i was going to run it under the headlights but after talking to my good friend Steve (stevE85 on here) i decided to flip it and angle mount it. talking to people it seems like even though its hidden it will do a good job cooling just based on the size. i got a 31x12x4 ic from ebay, there is a treadstone unit that is a direct replacement and thats what will eventually go in.
I trimmed up a volvo 940 efan and used a Be Cool boneyard ls radiator, swapped to a standard truck water pump as well. the radiator core is 22 wide 19 tall. i can get the car up to about 240 and knock it straight down to 180 on low speed. getting the intercooler out of the way gives me a tone of airflow as well. lower radiator hose is a straight 1.5in hose with a mr gasket swivel thermostat and the top hose is just a 90 degree 1.25 and straight hose.
also swapped to a miata battery and keeping it in the engine bay
i found this great transmission cooler bracket i made out of 1/4 inch steel, lol. then i started to mount the intercooler. i was going to run it under the headlights but after talking to my good friend Steve (stevE85 on here) i decided to flip it and angle mount it. talking to people it seems like even though its hidden it will do a good job cooling just based on the size. i got a 31x12x4 ic from ebay, there is a treadstone unit that is a direct replacement and thats what will eventually go in.
I trimmed up a volvo 940 efan and used a Be Cool boneyard ls radiator, swapped to a standard truck water pump as well. the radiator core is 22 wide 19 tall. i can get the car up to about 240 and knock it straight down to 180 on low speed. getting the intercooler out of the way gives me a tone of airflow as well. lower radiator hose is a straight 1.5in hose with a mr gasket swivel thermostat and the top hose is just a 90 degree 1.25 and straight hose.
also swapped to a miata battery and keeping it in the engine bay
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
got the 6.0 torn down, it is infact a lq4 unfortunately, womp womppppppp There was so much carbon buildup on the pistons they looked like flat tops.
cleaned all the pistons and removed the wrist pins and rods. tons of carbon, got everything moving the way they should. measured all the clearances and decided to just roll new bearings in. the bearings all look good but fell out of the caps, may have gotten a tad hot.
also the local machine shops are all closing down, found one shop that would install cam bearings.... 700 dollars is what they wanted, which is insane, in 2016 i paid 140 parts and labor for cam bearings. i bought cam bearings, t gauges, and a install tool for like 90 bucks, much cheaper.
went with the ch-25 durabond. they are a tad bit wider and originally meant for the aluminum blocks but they work fine on the cast iron blocks as well.
cleaned all the pistons and removed the wrist pins and rods. tons of carbon, got everything moving the way they should. measured all the clearances and decided to just roll new bearings in. the bearings all look good but fell out of the caps, may have gotten a tad hot.
also the local machine shops are all closing down, found one shop that would install cam bearings.... 700 dollars is what they wanted, which is insane, in 2016 i paid 140 parts and labor for cam bearings. i bought cam bearings, t gauges, and a install tool for like 90 bucks, much cheaper.
went with the ch-25 durabond. they are a tad bit wider and originally meant for the aluminum blocks but they work fine on the cast iron blocks as well.
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2002
- Location
- Santa Cruz CA
Marino’s?
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
Yea. Shit is expensive now days. Wait time was almost a month as well. My parts guys called for me so maybe some lines got crossed there but that was extremely unreasonable. However went to my buddies machine shop and it was 150 to polish a crankshaft which is insane to me. I tried to figure out if I could mount it on my dads lathe but the it would smack it pretty bad. I measured and blueprinted the bottom end though and threw a super Richie cam in it and I’m just about ready to reassemble. The aluminum 5.3 I’m going to build up with a nice rotating assembly
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2002
- Location
- Santa Cruz CA
Yeah between labor costs and parts costs, building a decent engine for my hobby stock at Marino’s is well past the cost of just getting a 602 crate
- Joined
- Jul 16, 2009
- Location
- Monterey/Falun
yep pretty crazy now days tbh, and the wait time is insane. if we do inframe rebuilds at work, if they are started on monday they are expected to be out by thursday. Machine shops take forever to get shit done and constantly make excuses
stevE85
Formerly 1983_242
- Joined
- Mar 11, 2011
- Location
- Benicia, CA
It's not only your local engine machine shop, they're not much better over here. I was gonna do a rod/piston 6.0L and costs were gonna be $3000-3600 depending on line hone or not. That was about 6mo ago and me supplying parts. Decided another LS+T grenade was more in the budget. 
It's not only your local engine machine shop, they're not much better over here. I was gonna do a rod/piston 6.0L and costs were gonna be $3000-3600...
I really need to switch over to engine machinist instead of engineering. Hours are better, less stress, and I'm pretty sure the pay is higher
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2002
- Location
- Santa Cruz CA
Dudley Do Right’s Speed & MachineI really need to switch over to engine machinist instead of engineering. Hours are better, less stress, and I'm pretty sure the pay is higher
(btw does her calling you that make her Snidely Whiplash?)