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Engine management for white block swap

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andyb5 said:
No comment on capability / price of EMU Black vs. MaxxECU.

To me, one of most compelling reasons to use MaxxECU is they sell a pre-terminated wiring harness for the B5234T engines, and have a base map available to download. Those two items significantly cut down the amount of time and number of potential errors in getting a standalone ECU fired up and driving.

I looked quickly and wasn't able to see if ECUMaster's available base maps include a B5234T. ECUMaster doesn't sell a premade harness, just a flying lead harness. Some extra time/work but you definitely save money compared to buying a MaxxECU finished harness.
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It took me like 2 hours to make a basemap on my ECUmaster. You can literally download one for any other ECU and copy the numbers over manually. Trigger offset and stuff is something you ALWAYS need to double check and adjust, basemap or not. Maybe 5 hours to build a harness for my ECUmaster. To me that made it not worth buying a pre-made harness that won't be an exact fit for my car and the additional sensors and stuff I want to set up.
 
244tiCanuck said:
It took me like 2 hours to make a basemap on my ECUmaster. You can literally download one for any other ECU and copy the numbers over manually. Trigger offset and stuff is something you ALWAYS need to double check and adjust, basemap or not. Maybe 5 hours to build a harness for my ECUmaster. To me that made it not worth buying a pre-made harness that won't be an exact fit for my car and the additional sensors and stuff I want to set up.
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What is ecu did you go with
 
Jack said:
What is ecu did you go with
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I know this wasn't directed at me but I need to let you know...

I literally just returned from speaking with an installer. Someone that I would consider to be an expert at his craft. He informed me that the EcuMasters EMU Pro and the EcuMasters Black use different connector types. I haven't confirmed this but wanted to let you know that if the Amp Superseal (Emu Pro) connector is important to you, check this before proceeding.

Personally, I think that the Emu Pro would be like using a shotgun to kill a cockroach for your use case
 
Meatball said:
I know this wasn't directed at me but I need to let you know...

I literally just returned from speaking with an installer. Someone that I would consider to be an expert at his craft. He informed me that the EcuMasters EMU Pro and the EcuMasters Black use different connector types. I haven't confirmed this but wanted to let you know that if the Amp Superseal (Emu Pro) connector is important to you, check this before proceeding.

Personally, I think that the Emu Pro would be like using a shotgun to kill a cockroach for your use case
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That’s good to know

I was considering using this bot the pro
ecumasterusa.com

ECUMASTER EMU BLACK

ECUMASTER EMU BLACK is a universal engine control computer that manages the operation of spark-ignition engines, and is designed to work with the most advanced and complex currently available engines. It is the successor to our proven system, the ECUMaster EMU. Common applications for the EMU...
ecumasterusa.com ecumasterusa.com
 
Jack said:
That’s good to know

I was considering using this bot the pro
ecumasterusa.com

ECUMASTER EMU BLACK

ECUMASTER EMU BLACK is a universal engine control computer that manages the operation of spark-ignition engines, and is designed to work with the most advanced and complex currently available engines. It is the successor to our proven system, the ECUMaster EMU. Common applications for the EMU...
ecumasterusa.com ecumasterusa.com
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So, that's what I am saying. The EMU Pro is a completely different level of architecture apparently. If you Google the EMU Pro, most - if not all of the installs are going into actual racecars.

The EcuMasters Black series is apparently better documented and has a better following for street tuning.

Personally, I like the MaxxEcu documentation. The hardware seems to be solid. I will send you a DM in a minute.

Second in line is Haltech. Their documentation is solid too. There is another one I found that was soooo well documented but almost unheard of but sadly after I got the idea of what I was trying to learn... I lost the info to go back.

Anyway, the EcuMasters hardware is the absolute best bang for the buck IMHO. You're going to need to develop a healthy appetite for figuring things out and you will be at the mercy of customer support if you go with the Pro (but... It is NEXT LEVEL on IO vs competition)
 
I'm just using the ecumaster classic. I didn't want to go e-throttle, it has 2 knock channels and onboard wideband controller. Has enough inputs and outputs to run a whiteblock. I think if I were doing VVT and e-throttle, I'd go with the Black.
I bought a flying lead harness and a generic fuse and relay box, bought all my terminals and housings for the harness from Digikey. My total cost for the ECU, additional sensors, wiring supplies came in at less than $2k usd. The documentation is very bare-bones, it assumes a solid base of knowledge of what you're doing, and kind of leaves some stuff out or is vague and you need to just figure it out by seeing what the parameters are in the software.
Getting the idle nailed down has been the most time spent. I think if I did it again I'd go with an e-throttle just for the idle alone. Trying to tune PWM idle with a seperate idle motor is a pain.
 
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