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- Thread starter 2manyturbos
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Everywhere, almost. To your point, yes, that is a big advantage of learning to left foot brake. A little tap on the brakes can make the car rotate or settle very quickly. Take a look at these two videos and you can see when I actually right foot brake. In the Autocross video it only happens once, as I'm stopping in the stop box. You can clearly see my leg lift from the gas pedal and switch to the brake pedal. In the track video the only time I right foot brake is coming on to the exit lane that heads into grid. Just as you can switch from the throttle to the brake with your right foot, with enough practice, you will be able to alternate between the clutch pedal and brake pedal with your left foot. I wouldn't recommend learning to left foot brake with a stick car in traffic. It's too easy to brain glitch at first and not think, clutch and brake with a panic stop. I have been left foot braking since 1998. I started left foot braking with a stick car in 2014 with my Z28. I didn't practice that on the street. Closed course only and I made a few mistakes that took out cones, not pedestrians.
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Left foot braking really helps with Turbo cars because you can keep the engine spooled while decelerating for a corner. This is my 2002 Audi TT Quattro 6 speed on course. The entire run is left foot braking until the stop box.
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My quickest run from last weekend on the combined Intro to Autocross school and event. Daisywagon was riding along to see what my GT is like. Hopefully, he has some video of his runs. I couldn't film him because I was a corner captain when he was making his runs.
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A couple of videos from 2 weeks ago when my friends made a trip to Autocross Meca. Crows Landing is a decommissioned NASA facility with brushed concrete runways. Other than running at Lincoln, Nebraska, this is the ultimate Autocross venue in the US. I was supposed to go with them, however, time and money didn't line up with the date they all picked to travel to CA to make this adventure happen. The grip levels are insane on brushed concrete. Steve, driving this 2015 Mustang GT CAM C prepared car had a peak lateral g reading of 1.39 on his Saturday run. This is definitely on my bucket list. I may try to make it down there later this year. This coming weekend is the SCCA Solo National Tour at Crows Landing. Steve is a National Champion driver. He took 1st at Topeka, KS years ago in his Neon SRT. He was a FWD racer until he bought the 2015 GT new and eventually turned it into the CAM C car it is now. He took 1st in class both days at this double header Autocross event. Watch how smooth his inputs are. He stays ahead of the car.
This is Dave Arata in his CP Mustang on Hoosier A7s. That is not front end lift due to a bump. It is due to having so much grip he wasn't ready for the car to stick like that.
Steve in his CAM C Mustang GT on Saturday.
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Sunday.
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This is Dave Arata in his CP Mustang on Hoosier A7s. That is not front end lift due to a bump. It is due to having so much grip he wasn't ready for the car to stick like that.
Steve in his CAM C Mustang GT on Saturday.
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Sunday.
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toms_elleck
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That's so crazy. When I lived in Modesto, I remember when they ran the very first event at Crows Landing.
I've never run there myself. But seeing your post makes me want to take my 914 over there.
I've never run there myself. But seeing your post makes me want to take my 914 over there.
toms_elleck
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my brother just sold his 2nd gen Viper GTS which he ran in CAM-S.
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We took that car to Utah for the Overcrest Rally. It was incredible. And terrifying what it was capable of doing.
Andre Illick on Instagram: "Listen for 6500rpm Viper howl, sounds good!"
124 likes, 9 comments - pro_tour_viper_gts on August 21, 2023: "Listen for 6500rpm Viper howl, sounds good!".
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We took that car to Utah for the Overcrest Rally. It was incredible. And terrifying what it was capable of doing.
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Those are killer cars. We have someone that comes to our events with a GTS. He does a good job of driving it. He mostly runs with the Corvette Club and Viper Club when they hold their events at Shelton Airport. It's common to see Autocross courses at their events that have speeds of 100 MPH because those cars are so quick.my brother just sold his 2nd gen Viper GTS which he ran in CAM-S.
Andre Illick on Instagram: "Listen for 6500rpm Viper howl, sounds good!"
124 likes, 9 comments - pro_tour_viper_gts on August 21, 2023: "Listen for 6500rpm Viper howl, sounds good!".
We took that car to Utah for the Overcrest Rally. It was incredible. And terrifying what it was capable of doing.
toms_elleck
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That reminds me of when I used to take my Beetle to the American Autocross Series events down in Atwater, CA.
They set up courses that were like two small kinks and then a massive oval.
I got obliterated at those events, but would beat some of the same cars at the same location when NASA set up the course.
Same car through the years:
It got more and more serious over the last 20 years, at the end sporting a turbo subaru motor.
It's back under the knife right now. My brother sold his Viper and is building the Bug into his next dedicated race car, complete with double A-arm front suspension, subaru transmission and a larger displacement subaru engine. It should end up being quite the contender in whatever unlimited class he ends up in.
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Cool car. Am I remembering correctly that you knew Jack VanWettering? He used to campaign an insane VW Bug. At our first event of this season with WMC 2 VW Bettles showed up. A 1999 Beetle and a 1969 Beetle. Both cars had beginner drivers. It was cool to see them trying out their cars. The driver with the new Beetle was doing a great job with it, IMO.That reminds me of when I used to take my Beetle to the American Autocross Series events down in Atwater, CA.
They set up courses that were like two small kinks and then a massive oval.
I got obliterated at those events, but would beat some of the same cars at the same location when NASA set up the course.
Same car through the years:
It got more and more serious over the last 20 years, at the end sporting a turbo subaru motor.
It's back under the knife right now. My brother sold his Viper and is building the Bug into his next dedicated race car, complete with double A-arm front suspension, subaru transmission and a larger displacement subaru engine. It should end up being quite the contender in whatever unlimited class he ends up in.
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toms_elleck
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Yes!
Well, I only met Jack a couple of times, but the shop where I worked in San Jose built his red OSP Bug. He was a celebrity there. Funny thing, the front trailing arms on my green bug were some takeoffs from his car. Cut and welded to get -4* of camber on the front.
#TBT | In autocrossing, sometimes different is really good
These 6 autocrossers ditched the usual suspects in favor of something a bit different.
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I don't have a Volvo anymore, but I've been wanting to Auto-X my manual trans Boxster for years... I follow the local calendars for events, and there are plenty but I've been unable to schedule any of them in thus far.
I'm also not sure I can pass the helmet/rollbar broom test. I have an aftermarket extended rollbar that barely fits under the roof, but my torso is so long, with the seat all the way down and reclined akwardly, my head comes to the top of the rollbar without a helmet. I'm guessing they rarely actually do this test, and it's not like it's even possible to roll a Boxster in an Auto-X.
I'm also not sure I can pass the helmet/rollbar broom test. I have an aftermarket extended rollbar that barely fits under the roof, but my torso is so long, with the seat all the way down and reclined akwardly, my head comes to the top of the rollbar without a helmet. I'm guessing they rarely actually do this test, and it's not like it's even possible to roll a Boxster in an Auto-X.
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In general, Autocross does not require a roll bar in a convertible/open cockpit car. Track events do require a roll bar. These photos are from this season's opening event with Oregon Region Porsche Club Of America. Notice no roll bar in the convertibles. Most of the Porsche Club members do not want to severely modify their cars. They are a great club to run with.
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toms_elleck
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Let me know if you line one up! I've been wanting to take my 242, just to throw it around. I know it'll be a complete pig in autox because it's set so soft, automatic, overpowered and under-tired. But that could be a recipe for fun! Plus I haven't put a loaner helmet on my head for years.
I've been driving it for the past 7 years increasingly more brave on mountain roads, and I'd like to get more comfortable about where the limit actually is. I'm pretty sure I'm nowhere near it, but you don't really know until you find it.
No broom test in the SCCA Solo events I've been to. They check the date on your helmet, check basics on the car (battery secured, nothing loose on the wheels, nothing low or leaking under the hood) and off you go.
My 240 wagon feels fine on roads, even pushing fairly hard. Certainly has trouble putting down power out of a corner at times (open diff, IPD rear sway) but really, not bad, I took it to an autocross last fall and it was just a hilarious horrible mess. In a course that's all tight turns it was just soft pedaling the throttle 95% of the time. Still fun, and people seemed to really enjoy seeing the old thing out there. Normally I drive the Miata and it's just one of 10 Miatas. (and bone stock Miatas at the good end of the E-street stock class are faster than me with 1/2 the hp)
My 240 wagon feels fine on roads, even pushing fairly hard. Certainly has trouble putting down power out of a corner at times (open diff, IPD rear sway) but really, not bad, I took it to an autocross last fall and it was just a hilarious horrible mess. In a course that's all tight turns it was just soft pedaling the throttle 95% of the time. Still fun, and people seemed to really enjoy seeing the old thing out there. Normally I drive the Miata and it's just one of 10 Miatas. (and bone stock Miatas at the good end of the E-street stock class are faster than me with 1/2 the hp)
Sounds good, I'll let you know when I find one I can make. My main issue is that most weekends I'm either hanging out with my son, and they don't allow kids under 12 as passengers, or I'm crewing for a sailboat race, which I usually agree to way in advance before I realize there's an Auto-X.
Certainly do. I've only had the top up on rainy days. A couple of years ago (old rollbar), just a wee bit slideways:
Doesn't look like I'd pass a broom test. If I wanted to do a track event I'd probably need to bolt my hardtop on. I have the latches on it, but AFAIK latches don't count, but replacing them with bolt on brackets does count. When I bought it the hardtop was bolted on and the soft top was removed.
Doesn't look like I'd pass a broom test. If I wanted to do a track event I'd probably need to bolt my hardtop on. I have the latches on it, but AFAIK latches don't count, but replacing them with bolt on brackets does count. When I bought it the hardtop was bolted on and the soft top was removed.
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Here's my best run from yesterday's event. Still only finished 13/16 in XA but I was in top third of raw time out of 130something cars.
The wavetrac has been a game changer, but our XA group (and XA in general) is super competitive and not a great class for a brick
The wavetrac has been a game changer, but our XA group (and XA in general) is super competitive and not a great class for a brick
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Nice driving. You are staying ahead of the car instead of reacting. The slalom was a huge improvement. You got in position early enough to back side the first cone and keep it going like that through the slalom at a steady speed.Here's my best run from yesterday's event. Still only finished 13/16 in XA but I was in top third of raw time out of 130something cars.
The wavetrac has been a game changer, but our XA group (and XA in general) is super competitive and not a great class for a brick
Yeah, XA... One of our club member's cars is a Turbocharged BRZ on huge tires. You car is a school bus by comparison.
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This weekend in PNW autocross. I went up to PIR and ran with Oregon Region PCA. That was quick and fun. 7 runs and done by 1:00 PM. Two of the clubs I run with put on the ORP Track-cross double header this weekend. Daisywagon ran both days. The Track-cross is a hybred event. An Autocross on a full size road course. The speeds are much higher. My friend Steve lives within 30 minutes of Oregon Raceway Park and knows the track like the back of his hand. I figured he would do really well Sunday. Steve is the same driver in the white Mustang in the post above. Here is his fastest run from Sunday.
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