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This will ignore suspension mods, those most all might agree should be done first, along with a brake upgrade first.
Trying to get a list together for some future plans, Trying to get a good list that we can maybe (doubt it) agree on for list of bolt on mods one should do on their basic redblock.
Which order works best? Can we talk it out and figure out what is ideal?
1. MBC / Filter
2. Exhaust
3. Chips / ECU
4. Injectors
5. Inter cooler / pipes
6. Camshaft
7. Turbo
8. Exhaust manifold
9. Intake manifold and throttle body.
10. Ported head / larger valves.
So being that we do not have a ton of bolt on parts our paths to upgrade might be a bit different than others, so what list and what order sounds best for our little group?
Say if someone was to do one mod at a time and dyno a car after each mod what order would you like to see things done in to see proper numbers for gains? Sort of a staged list of upgrades, we all know you need to do the basics first like a tune up and fixing all leaks and junk like that.
Of course for those wanting to go MS that list might change a bit but this is for most of the TB'ers out there as with the recent advances in chips stock rev limiter is not a big deal anymore and more and more power is being made with chipped cars so there is a slight argument for the LH 2.4 guys to not rush to go to MS just yet, same can be said about some of the LH 2.2 guys
So I guess I can start it off
1. $15-50 MBC / filter, I am sure we might all agree on this, the cheapest and easy way to get more power out of a red block, throw it on and turn up the boost a bit, quick and easy gain. Along with a MBC now is a good time to upgrade to be it a K&N filter or some kind of larger cone intake and heat shield.
2. $200-500 Exhaust, we all know turbo cars react very well to a opened up and better flowing exhaust, be it 2.5" or 3". Stock is very restrictive; in some cases I have seen turbo cars with 1.75"-2" pipes which can severely hurt flow and power. The biggest recommendation I have here is do it once and do it right.
3. $200-500 Chips / ECU, with the new market of higher rev limiters for the LH 2.4 cars and some better mapped chips there are more than a few gains that can be had with a set of chips. These are a good starting point that will allow your car to see the most from the future set of mods.
4. $50-300 Injectors, some might say you ran out of fuel a step or two ago, most find the stock injectors are good for a good amount of abuse, Since you just upgraded your Chip / ECU now would be an ideal time to add a bit more fuel, this step can be done way at the start or further down. You will find your new ECU has better mapping and setup for these larger injectors. For most 250-300bhp setups you might find 42-55lb injectors are ideal, After that we might recommend something a good bit larger
5. $150-300 Inter cooler / pipes, this should be another point we all agree on, when is the best time to do this upgrade we might not, One could say that with the added boost pressure and air flow from a larger exhaust and a higher rev limiter you want to keep that intake charge as cool as possible, now is also a ideal time to upgrade your intercooler pipes to something solid and larger diameter.
6. $150-400 Camshaft, this is one of those parts that no one is really in full agreement on what kind of what setup is best. There are a few out there that have put down some good numbers and gains but everyone will have a different idea on which brand and grind you want. We will agree on this is an upgrade that is very much needed. While losing a little low end torque over stock, in most cases this will allow you to make good power for the mid range through top end. With a higher rev limiter already in place now you can take advantage of it with a camshaft that will make power all the way to your new redline, be it 6500/6800/7000 rpm.
7. $250-1000 Turbo, now that you are finally cooling down that super heated intake charge from the stock turbo now is a great time to upgrade compressors to something larger. This might require a change in downpipe and intercooler pipes(hot side at least). This can be anywhere from a basic 15g or a nice 60 trim t3, to a bit more of a final turbo of say a Td04HL-19T to a big t3/t4 or a Holset. Changing just the downpipe to match your current exhaust is not a big deal as you can always sell that 3" downpipe to fund your new downpipe or just have a shop hack off one flange and install a new one.
This is where most of you might stop, You might find if you do these first 5 mods correctly 300+bhp should be well within reach along with building a pretty quick street car.
8. $200-1000 Exhaust manifold - This is where you really start getting into spending big money. A better flowing exhaust manifold would be something along the lines of what Kenny sells, or a DIY unit. This can require new intercooler pipes along with downpipe, and oil and water lines depending on the turbo you are using.
9. $300-1000 Intake manifold and throttle body, now we are really talking about flow, as we all know (or well some of us have been trying to beat into your heads) the stock intake manifolds flow like crap, sure they flow, but they are far from ideal. This is something you want to take your time and do right, This is where a huge chunk of gains will be had all across the power band.
10. $200-3000 Ported head / larger valves, Some will argue that bolting a stock intake manifold onto worked head is just a big waste of time and $ as the stock intake really is one of the largest bottlenecks in the system. This port work can be done either in your back yard with a day or so of your time to a big chunk of $ to pay someone to do it right.
Thoughts comments? additions? adjustments? Let us see if we can get a well setup guide on how to make power out of a redblock.
Thanks
Trying to get a list together for some future plans, Trying to get a good list that we can maybe (doubt it) agree on for list of bolt on mods one should do on their basic redblock.
Which order works best? Can we talk it out and figure out what is ideal?
1. MBC / Filter
2. Exhaust
3. Chips / ECU
4. Injectors
5. Inter cooler / pipes
6. Camshaft
7. Turbo
8. Exhaust manifold
9. Intake manifold and throttle body.
10. Ported head / larger valves.
So being that we do not have a ton of bolt on parts our paths to upgrade might be a bit different than others, so what list and what order sounds best for our little group?
Say if someone was to do one mod at a time and dyno a car after each mod what order would you like to see things done in to see proper numbers for gains? Sort of a staged list of upgrades, we all know you need to do the basics first like a tune up and fixing all leaks and junk like that.
Of course for those wanting to go MS that list might change a bit but this is for most of the TB'ers out there as with the recent advances in chips stock rev limiter is not a big deal anymore and more and more power is being made with chipped cars so there is a slight argument for the LH 2.4 guys to not rush to go to MS just yet, same can be said about some of the LH 2.2 guys
So I guess I can start it off
1. $15-50 MBC / filter, I am sure we might all agree on this, the cheapest and easy way to get more power out of a red block, throw it on and turn up the boost a bit, quick and easy gain. Along with a MBC now is a good time to upgrade to be it a K&N filter or some kind of larger cone intake and heat shield.
2. $200-500 Exhaust, we all know turbo cars react very well to a opened up and better flowing exhaust, be it 2.5" or 3". Stock is very restrictive; in some cases I have seen turbo cars with 1.75"-2" pipes which can severely hurt flow and power. The biggest recommendation I have here is do it once and do it right.
3. $200-500 Chips / ECU, with the new market of higher rev limiters for the LH 2.4 cars and some better mapped chips there are more than a few gains that can be had with a set of chips. These are a good starting point that will allow your car to see the most from the future set of mods.
4. $50-300 Injectors, some might say you ran out of fuel a step or two ago, most find the stock injectors are good for a good amount of abuse, Since you just upgraded your Chip / ECU now would be an ideal time to add a bit more fuel, this step can be done way at the start or further down. You will find your new ECU has better mapping and setup for these larger injectors. For most 250-300bhp setups you might find 42-55lb injectors are ideal, After that we might recommend something a good bit larger
5. $150-300 Inter cooler / pipes, this should be another point we all agree on, when is the best time to do this upgrade we might not, One could say that with the added boost pressure and air flow from a larger exhaust and a higher rev limiter you want to keep that intake charge as cool as possible, now is also a ideal time to upgrade your intercooler pipes to something solid and larger diameter.
6. $150-400 Camshaft, this is one of those parts that no one is really in full agreement on what kind of what setup is best. There are a few out there that have put down some good numbers and gains but everyone will have a different idea on which brand and grind you want. We will agree on this is an upgrade that is very much needed. While losing a little low end torque over stock, in most cases this will allow you to make good power for the mid range through top end. With a higher rev limiter already in place now you can take advantage of it with a camshaft that will make power all the way to your new redline, be it 6500/6800/7000 rpm.
7. $250-1000 Turbo, now that you are finally cooling down that super heated intake charge from the stock turbo now is a great time to upgrade compressors to something larger. This might require a change in downpipe and intercooler pipes(hot side at least). This can be anywhere from a basic 15g or a nice 60 trim t3, to a bit more of a final turbo of say a Td04HL-19T to a big t3/t4 or a Holset. Changing just the downpipe to match your current exhaust is not a big deal as you can always sell that 3" downpipe to fund your new downpipe or just have a shop hack off one flange and install a new one.
This is where most of you might stop, You might find if you do these first 5 mods correctly 300+bhp should be well within reach along with building a pretty quick street car.
8. $200-1000 Exhaust manifold - This is where you really start getting into spending big money. A better flowing exhaust manifold would be something along the lines of what Kenny sells, or a DIY unit. This can require new intercooler pipes along with downpipe, and oil and water lines depending on the turbo you are using.
9. $300-1000 Intake manifold and throttle body, now we are really talking about flow, as we all know (or well some of us have been trying to beat into your heads) the stock intake manifolds flow like crap, sure they flow, but they are far from ideal. This is something you want to take your time and do right, This is where a huge chunk of gains will be had all across the power band.
10. $200-3000 Ported head / larger valves, Some will argue that bolting a stock intake manifold onto worked head is just a big waste of time and $ as the stock intake really is one of the largest bottlenecks in the system. This port work can be done either in your back yard with a day or so of your time to a big chunk of $ to pay someone to do it right.
Thoughts comments? additions? adjustments? Let us see if we can get a well setup guide on how to make power out of a redblock.
Thanks
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